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Photiou Black Belt

Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 125 Location: Finland
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Posted: Jul 29, 2007 7:42 pm Post subject: Taste of gyokuro |
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How would you describe taste of high grade gyokuro?
I got some rather expensive gyokuro and the taste is quite different from what I have had before. It is not sweet but has 'thick' consistency and strong aroma/taste - like vegetable stock  |
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cloverroots Uh, Can I Add Sugar?

Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 7 Location: Singapore
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Posted: Nov 23, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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Pardon me for borrowing your thread. It is also about the taste and the infusion colour.
The infusion colour I had is of yellowish colour when it supposed to be green in colour. May I know why has this happened? Could it been that the tea is not Gyokuro?
Appreciate if anyone can advise a newbie in tea.  |
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syntheticpanda 2nd Degree Black Belt

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 198
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Posted: Nov 23, 2007 4:51 pm Post subject: |
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I have noticed a zucchini-like taste in gyokuro, though I can't call myself a gyokuro expert by any means. I've also noticed the color isn't quite as intense as sencha, but I don't know if that's just the gyokuro I've had or if it applies in general.
Cloverroots: it could be the tea you had, or it could just be how you brewed it. What temperature, amount of leaf/water, and infusion times did you use? Also, where did you get your tea? |
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Photiou Black Belt

Joined: 25 Apr 2007 Posts: 125 Location: Finland
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Posted: Nov 23, 2007 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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I think the yellowish green color is ok as with sencha - at least some I tried had more pale yellowish green color than pale green color. Maybe something to do with the tea breed used? (just guessing)
For the brewing: ~2 tablespoons of gyokuro, ~40ml of 40C-50C water and two minutes brewing time will give nice and 'thick' brew. |
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cloverroots Uh, Can I Add Sugar?

Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 7 Location: Singapore
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Posted: Nov 23, 2007 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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im using about 500ml of water at temperature of about 50 degree celsius with about 9grams of gyokuro. Infusion time is about 2min 30sec.
Got the tea as a gift and he purchased it from a trip to Japan a month ago. Too bad he removed the packaging and presented to me in a special tin.
I tried infusion at about 95 degree celsius, the infusion colour is the same. Yellowish instead of greenish.
The leaves are flat, thin, sharp, greener than all sencha and fragrance is much better than all sencha. |
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Kevangogh Forum God

Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 904 Location: Japan
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Posted: Nov 24, 2007 12:26 am Post subject: |
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| 95C is way too hot. Please search this forum for previous posts on how to brew gyokuro, it can be tricky. |
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Photiou Black Belt

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Posted: Nov 24, 2007 5:12 am Post subject: |
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| cloverroots wrote: | | im using about 500ml of water at temperature of about 50 degree celsius with about 9grams of gyokuro. Infusion time is about 2min 30sec. |
I think you use also too much water - for 9grams around 80-100ml would be more suitable. |
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britt 2nd Degree Black Belt

Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 175
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Posted: Nov 25, 2007 7:27 am Post subject: |
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I'm new to gyokuro myself, but I really believe that brewing smaller quantities is better. I use 1/4 tablespoon of gyokuro with 1.6 ounces of water and brew 3 minutes for the first infusion. I haven't measured the temperature, but it is very low compared to what I use for sencha.
I can't comment on the color because the set I use has cups that aren't white inside.
I only purchased gyokuro outside of O-Cha.com once because I ran out and wanted some for the weekend. I knew I could purchase domestically and receive it by Saturday. I wanted it to try out the new gyokuro set I had just received.
The next time I'll order from O-Cha and wait. This other stuff was garbage. I tried everything and it never came out good. The types I have purchased at O-Cha are relatively easy to brew and always come out decent. I think when you have low quality gyokuro no trick will work. If it's decent quality, then sticking to the basic instructions on this site should give good results fairly quickly. |
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cloverroots Uh, Can I Add Sugar?

Joined: 23 Nov 2007 Posts: 7 Location: Singapore
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Posted: Nov 26, 2007 10:11 am Post subject: |
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Thank you everyone. Appreciated it.
I am going to prepare it using lesser water.
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Kevangogh Forum God

Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 904 Location: Japan
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Posted: Nov 26, 2007 2:37 pm Post subject: |
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| I gave a demo at a store last week, they heated up tap water for us. That brew turned out rank! I was embarrased so I asked them to take out spring water from the shelf and we re-did it....HUGE difference. Needless to say, you definitely should be using good water. |
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allumirati Uh, Can I Add Sugar?

Joined: 11 Mar 2008 Posts: 1
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Posted: Mar 11, 2008 1:51 am Post subject: Re: Taste of gyokuro |
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| Photiou wrote: | How would you describe taste of high grade gyokuro?
I got some rather expensive gyokuro and the taste is quite different from what I have had before. It is not sweet but has 'thick' consistency and strong aroma/taste - like vegetable stock  |
I've found these the best instructions for brewing tea. I also enjoy their product very much. Although they are a bit expensive, it is worth it.
*Note: Please read our guidelines (#4: http://greenteaforum.o-cha.com/about1.html ) before posting links.
It seems to me your either brewing it too hot (95*C) or to low (50*C) as the link suggests: 60-70*C. I would aim for 70*C if you want a greener color and stronger flavor. Aim for 60*C if you want a sweeter-smoother flavor and slighty paler color. |
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greenisgood Black Belt

Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 112
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Posted: Mar 11, 2008 6:11 am Post subject: |
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| I second the use of good water, even a fridge Brita filter does a lot. I had some really chlorine-tasting tap water put in my kettle and I had to boil good water in it about three times before the taste went away, I felt like such a snob getting annoyed about it but it made the tea taste really bad. |
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syntheticpanda 2nd Degree Black Belt

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Posted: Mar 11, 2008 7:11 am Post subject: |
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| Another way to get rid of the chlorination byproduct smell is to pour water into a pitcher and let it sit overnight-- apparently whatever causes the odor (its not elemental chlorine, from what I have heard) evaporates right out. |
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