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Chip Spam/Troll Killer

Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 760 Location: Back in the TeaCave atop Mt. Fuji, purging looters
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Posted: Jan 22, 2007 1:01 am Post subject: |
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I am not bleach phobic and have already used bleach in teaware. I have just not had the need to go that route...I guess because I always dried my pots correctly...I have never had any mold in my pots. But if I did, I would use bleach to correct the situation.
The vinegar is most effective on scale being slightly acidic...scale being alkaline (I think). So the vinegar just disolves it away. I usually reuse the vinegar solution that I already have in my electric kettle to remove scale...pouring it in all my teaware.
Bleach is amazing stuff...it will kill certain bacteria and mold that almost nothing else will. In fact, I have several indoor decorative fountains in my house. I put about .25-.5 teaspoon in a gallon of water, using that to refill the fountains. I used to have all this nasty scum in the fountain after only 2 weeks and would have to totally clean the whole fountain. Now I never have scum and only clean them around once a year...so bleach works. |
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Chip Spam/Troll Killer

Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 760 Location: Back in the TeaCave atop Mt. Fuji, purging looters
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Posted: Jan 22, 2007 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| wehayley wrote: | When it comes to caring for your new tokoname, another good idea is to "season" it. Assuming your pot is porous: make a pot of the tea you plan to use with your pot and allow it to sit, resting in the pot overnight. The next morning, empty the pot, rinse it as you normally would, and begin enjoying it.
Apparently, there is good reason for doing this: good clay absorbs some of the tea's flavor and aroma (this is true every time the pot is used, and the main reason many experts recommend using a particular pot with only a single type of tea). Seasoning the pot will allow you to skip the first "absorption," which is the strongest.
It won't matter as much, but you can use this same method with nonporous pots. Just be sure to never wipe the inside and to rinse it only for a few seconds.
It's said that a great tokoname, made with the right clay, will last for years, slowly taking on the nature of one's tea to a point where some day, many years down the road, when you are out of tea, you will be able to simply pour in water, allow it to rest in the pot a few minutes, and drawing from the pot's years of absorbing, come up with a pretty good cup of tea. Here's to the years ahead! |
Hmmm, I have heard all of this related to Chinese Yixing teapots but never tokoname teapots. Tokoname is so much denser than regular clay...in the years that I have had my one red tokoname pot...using it constantly...it shows no signs of seasoning as a Yixing pot will. In fact, my yixing pottery shows signs of seasoning almost instantly.
You may be correct, but it just has not been my experience with my tokoname teapots as it has with my yixing teapots.  |
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wehayley 2nd Degree Black Belt

Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 206 Location: Under the Basket
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Posted: Jan 22, 2007 1:36 am Post subject: |
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I fully agree with Chip - with proper and regular care of your pot, things should never reach the point of needing bleach, but if it ever does, bleach when used correctly, works wonders. I tried it once as an experiment on my very first tokoname (which was fairly inexpensive - reducing my concern). It did not leave an odor or taste, and did not affect the pot's color. I would have been hesitant to do the same with a high-end pot without this experience.
As for seasoning, I guess it depends on the type of clay used in making the pot. I'm relatively new at all this, but when I become interested in something, my passion often leads me to jump in with both feet. I have most often seen the "seasoning" comments relating to yixing pots. My source in this case, Lydia Gautier's tea book, seemed to imply that the seasoning process is most important with yixing pots, but can also be a factor with higher-end tokoname...
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Chip Spam/Troll Killer

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Posted: Jan 22, 2007 1:56 am Post subject: |
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| wehayley wrote: | I fully agree with Chip - with proper and regular care of your pot, things should never reach the point of needing bleach, but if it ever does, bleach when used correctly, works wonders. I tried it once as an experiment on my very first tokoname (which was fairly inexpensive - reducing my concern). It did not leave an odor or taste, and did not affect the pots color. I would have been hesitant to do the same with a high-end pot without this experience.
As for seasoning, I guess it depends on the type of clay used in making the pot. I'm relatively new at all this, but when I become interested in something, my passion often leads me to jump in with both feet. I have most often seen the "seasoning" comments relating to yixing pots. My source in this case, Lydia Gautier's tea book, seemed to imply that the seasoning process is most important with yixing pots, but can also be a factor with higher-end tokoname... |
Ahhh, mine are likely more commercially made tokoname pots....some artisan tokoname may be more porous!!! Considering the prices of the artisan quality tokoname, I would not use vinegar or bleach except under dire circumstances...like mold problems...besides, bleach and vinegar would screw up the seasoning of such a teapot.
Sometimes I google kyusu...there are some stunning kyusu in Japan..... |
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wehayley 2nd Degree Black Belt

Joined: 20 Jun 2006 Posts: 206 Location: Under the Basket
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Posted: Jan 22, 2007 2:08 am Post subject: |
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| PS... I live in Florida; I've seen mold grow on people who move too slow! Adding to the confusion, my one yixing pot is made in the kyusu style, with the handle 90 degrees to the spout, so I wrongly use the term tokoname when sometimes thinking yixing... sorry. |
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Kevangogh Forum God

Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 926 Location: Japan
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Posted: Jan 22, 2007 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| The way I understand it, when a yixing teapot obtains color inside from many years of use it is something to be valued. Chinese guy told me that. |
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wehayley 2nd Degree Black Belt

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Posted: Jan 24, 2007 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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The following is from the website of a seller of a wide variety of Japanese pottery. Keep in mind that Tokoname is a region - the teapots so many of us use, if I am not mistaken, are "kyusu". Often they are referred to as tokoname because that is the region from which many come, but there are other regions making kyusu, including Hagi...
Japanese pottery Hagi ware
Hagi Ware
The origins of Hagi ware go back about 400 years. It was brought to Japan by potters returning from Korea. There was a decisive battle in 1600 in which the Lord Mori, who was protecting the Korean potters, was defeated, and subsequently moved his castle to Hagi. At this point, a kiln was opened in Hagi, and this was the starting point of Hagi ware.
In later times, the style was changed and diversified. One of the features of Hagi ware is the feeling of softness and warmth of the soil in the finished product. It has been used mainly for tea ceremony implements, and the art has been improved and developed. Now, Hagi ware is highly valued as one of the world's greatest types of earthenware.
Another feature of Hagi ware is that it contains cracks, known as 'Kannyu', in its foundation. This gives it different properties of ventilation and water permeability to porcelain. Part of the charm of Hagi ware is the incrustation of tea into the cracks through use, resulting in subtle changes of pattern and colour. This is the reason that Hagi ware is respected, and the respect is demonstrated in ancient sayings originating from the world of tea earthenware such as, 'one Raku, two Hagi, three Karatsu', and 'The seven changes of Hagi'.
Another element of the charm of Hagi ware is that it gives a feeling of amorousness combined with simplicity. Moreover, the shade will change gradually through use. Enjoy this transformation, and feel the softness and warmth in your hand.
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Actually, Hagi is short for Hagi-yuki. It is very porous and prone to mildew if not thoroughly dried before storing (at least in humid environments). Some Hagi ware is very reasonably priced... |
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Chado Brown Belt

Joined: 31 Aug 2005 Posts: 46 Location: Boston, MA
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Posted: Jan 31, 2007 12:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Give it a good rinse then fill with water and cover the top with the inside palm of your hand and cover the spout with your thumb or index finger of the opposite hand and give it a few good shakes. Simply drain and you will remove any loose leaves. |
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Maggie45 Brown Belt

Joined: 26 Jun 2006 Posts: 55 Location: Bisbee, Arizona, USA
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Posted: Feb 12, 2007 10:52 am Post subject: |
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love the teapot I got from O-Cha. It is super easy to clean. Instead of the 360 degree mesh, it has a removable basket and the mesh over the spout holes only. All I ever have to do is rinse it....amazing. I haven't used any soap at all, only on the outside of the pot. I love it. Oh, I already said that.
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Maggie45 Brown Belt

Joined: 26 Jun 2006 Posts: 55 Location: Bisbee, Arizona, USA
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Posted: Feb 12, 2007 11:01 am Post subject: |
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One other thing...I have never been disappointed in anything that I've purchased from O-Cha. Kevin is a real stand up guy in my book. One of my patrons in the library where I work ordered also, and was really impressed with not only the products, but the process. I have absolutely no hesitation in recommending this company to anyone. I hope to be a customer for many years to come. I just need to keep my income steady.  |
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Maggie45 Brown Belt

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Posted: Feb 12, 2007 11:05 am Post subject: |
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Ooops, I put the wrong link in the previous post...should be:
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