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Thin line between sencha and bancha

 
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Hushfield
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PostPosted: Jun 13, 2008 7:11 am    Post subject: Thin line between sencha and bancha Reply with quote

Hi all,
I only recently got into green tea and before I discovered O-Cha.com I went out and bought some sencha in a local store. They had a few kinds of sencha and a lot of other green tea varieties, so I bought the cheapest and hoped for the best.

Tea Facts:
name: Sencha Green - Japan
price: 2,40€ / 100g
package instructions: brew for 5min at 85°C

So first of all, this is a really cheap tea, I knew that when I compared it to some other sencha they had for around 7,60€ / 100g and with gyokuro costing as much as 13,95€ / 100g. I really do not brew this tea for 5 minutes, mostly it is around 1'40". The colour of this tea is very yellowish.

I read Kevan's comment in another thread that second or third harvest teas can still be very good, depending on quality and how fresh they are, but I take it is safe to assume that the later the harvest, the lower the quality of the tea?
I read on wikipedia that
wikipedia wrote:
煎茶 Sencha (broiled tea)
The first and second flush of green tea, which is the most common green tea in Japan made from leaves that are exposed directly to sunlight. The first flush is also called Shin-cha (新茶: a new tea)
番茶 Bancha (common tea)
Sencha harvested as a third or fourth flush tea between summer and autumn. Aki-Bancha (autumn Bancha) is not made from entire leaves, but from the trimmed unnecessary twigs of the tea plant.

and
wikipedia wrote:
In general, lower quality green teas are steeped hotter and longer, while higher quality teas are steeped cooler and shorter.

Since the package says that you need to brew this for 5 minutes (I can't get over that, and a lot of other teas I bought also have ridiculously long brewing times in the instructions, compared to the information I found on this forum), at 85°C (which I take is still rather high for sencha) I assume this tea is of lower quality and possibly a later harvest such as e.g. third harvest. However I also found a few twigs in the tea, and hence my question: is this tea sold as sencha really sencha, or would you rather define it as bancha?

sorry for the long question, and thanks in advance
H
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Chip
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PostPosted: Jun 13, 2008 7:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That wikipedia ummm...sux! There is so much wrong with what it states, that I am not going to dispute it point by point. Just throw out the info you read there and on the label. Broiled tea...what does that mean. It is like someone used an automatic translator and copied and pasted.

It is best to read info here or on a site such as O-Cha. Kevin has a lot of info on his site as well as a glossery.

Sencha can mean many things. Even guricha is called sencha in some circles. If memory serves me, it means green tea??? Is that right. But it is so much more than that. And it is further broken down by grades, processing, etc.

Bancha can be later flushes as well as the less desirable heal of the leaf.

Bottom line, bancha is lower quality. What you have is clearly low quality.

Not knowing what you have, it could even be Chinese sencha...bleh. Regardless, 5 minutes as a recommendation only goes to show, get your sencha from a reliable vendor like O-Cha.
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Hushfield
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PostPosted: Jun 13, 2008 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I kind of feared the distinction made between sencha and bancha on wikipedia might be somewhat simplistic, and therefore came to check it here.
Chip wrote:
Broiled tea...what does that mean. It is like someone used an automatic translator and copied and pasted.

Regarding wikipedia's translation of sencha as "broiled tea" I must insist that, at least for a literal translation, that part is correct. Clearly the rest of the definition is not very accurate, but apparently "broiled tea" is what sencha means. I looked it up in Jim Breen's edict.
edict wrote:
煎 (せん) (n) broil; parch; roast; fire (tea); boil down (in oil);
煎じる (せんじる) (v1,vt) to boil; to decoct; to infuse;

Should the sen in sencha be derived from te verb senjiru, then wouldn't it be more like for it to be called senjicha?

However, maybe something like 'fired tea' might seem more appropriate, as this meaning is even indicated especially for tea. Is most tea 'fired' somewhere in the production process (in the case of sencha, after first being steamed and rolled)? If that is the case, the translation of sencha as 'fired tea' would explain why the term has such a broad meaning.

Thank you very much for the quick reply.
Cheers,
H
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PostPosted: Jun 13, 2008 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still a long way to go my young padawan apprentice, remember anger leads to the dark side, patience and all will be clear just stay tuned.
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Hushfield
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PostPosted: Jun 13, 2008 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A long way to go indeed, that's the fun part of it. Very Happy I hope I in no way gave the impression of being angry.
As written in the Lün-Yu:
Confucius wrote:
In the third year after Fuzi's retirement from the court of Lu, Li Hui questioned the master on the correct li surrounding the brewing of tea. Fuzi answered thusly: angry people brew bad tea.





(Some parts of this quote might not correspond to the actual contents of the confucian analects.)
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PostPosted: Jun 14, 2008 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I personally think that a life time is not enough to thoroughly explore teas from china, taiwean, japan, and india.
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PostPosted: Jun 17, 2008 8:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The more you learn, the more you realize you don't know.
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PostPosted: Jun 17, 2008 8:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think tea is a technical science as well as an art. This gives infinite possibilities, both good and bad. Hopefully as we progress through the learning process we'll see more of the good and less of the bad. As with the martial arts, there are rigid forms as well as those that are flexible. Neither of these is necessarily the best way for everyone.
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