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FataliTEA 2nd Degree Black Belt

Joined: 10 Sep 2007 Posts: 168 Location: Locked inside a deep-steamer.
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 11:18 am Post subject: |
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Drinking tea for nutritional value.
I drink tea for taste. Any health benefits that may or may not be there are a bonus. If the tea is still tasty during 4th and 5th steep, then you better believe I'll be steeping that tea 4 or 5 times. And Britt, if you don't find 3rd, 4th, and 5th steeps to be tasty, perhaps you're just not as skilled at brewing as me and Chip here. SO instead of giving up and making up the excuse that we're "over-infusing" our sencha, how about you try to better yourself and figure out a way to make later steeps taste better for you? |
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Kevangogh Forum God

Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 916 Location: Japan
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I rarely go beyond three infusions. I go for three because after the second infusion I'm too lazy to re-do it again, and I don't go beyond three because I'm usually sitting in a room full of my full inventory and by that stage I'm ready for some strong flavor. |
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Ed Black Belt

Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Posts: 140 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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It depends on the sencha. The Fukamushi Supreme is easily good for 4 infusions, the 5th starts to weaken a bit but it's still very good. Steep times are a big factor. For the Supreme, I go with 45 seconds for the 1st steep; 10-15 seconds for the 2nd steep; 30 seconds for the 3rd; 60 seconds for the 4th and 2-3 minutes for the 5th. Your mileage may vary, but IMHO you're wasting tea if you throw out those leaves before the 4th steep of the Supreme. But if you prefer the flavor of the first 2 or 3 infusions then by all means brew a fresh pot.
I do agree that the typical sencha starts to lose its mojo after 3 steeps, but that doesn't mean it's not worth steeping those leaves a few more times to get the last bit of juice out of them if you're inclined to do that. It's all about personal preference. |
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FataliTEA 2nd Degree Black Belt

Joined: 10 Sep 2007 Posts: 168 Location: Locked inside a deep-steamer.
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 12:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Kevangogh wrote: | | I'm usually sitting in a room full of my full inventory. |
You know, that makes me really jealous.
But guess what. I get a room full of myself. Boo-ya.
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syntheticpanda 2nd Degree Black Belt

Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 198
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 12:50 pm Post subject: |
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| You must have either a very small room or... well, nevermind. (I would have let that one slide if you hadn't posted that awful banner.) |
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Ryan Sensei

Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 475
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Kevangogh wrote: | | I'm usually sitting in a room full of my full inventory |
This statement deserves a second comment. All I have to say is very few men to ever walk this earth have ever experienced sipping on world class sencha while simultaneously peering out on bag upon bag of world class sencha. |
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greenisgood Black Belt

Joined: 20 Jan 2008 Posts: 112
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| It is bothersome that there's no one way to make good tea. But really, how consistant or perfect is anything grown from the ground. And when you add in all the minute variables of water quality, water temperature, amount of water, amount of leaf, freshness of leaf, brewing vessel, steeping time, pouring technique, time in between steepings.......how could anyone possibly agree on the best way let alone get the exact same results themselves. The world is an imperfect, subjective, exception-filled place, and so is tea. We can try to eliminate some of the variables but perfection or a "right way" is never realistic, we just sometimes hope it might be somehow. |
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Ed Black Belt

Joined: 03 Jan 2007 Posts: 140 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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Greenisgood, you just made the post of the year.  |
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Chip Spam/Troll Killer

Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 745 Location: Back in the TeaCave atop Mt. Fuji, purging looters
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 2:53 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, that just about sums it up
Hmmm, Kevin, you must be sitting in your giant TeaFridge sipping Yutaki Midori...no wonder you caught a cold  |
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Kevangogh Forum God

Joined: 19 Jul 2005 Posts: 916 Location: Japan
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Posted: Jan 28, 2008 3:08 pm Post subject: |
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I'm in the final stages of that * cold, it's just lingering on. I'm at the "feeling better but still have that friggin' nagging cough" stage that drags on forever.
I can revisit guricha today or tomorrow I think. |
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britt 2nd Degree Black Belt

Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 179
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Posted: Jan 29, 2008 4:01 am Post subject: |
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| Ryan wrote: | | Because information on tea is so consistently unreliable I think it's premature to say that the nutritional value is totally exhausted by the 3rd steep. I am unconvinced of this. Though it may be true, I have not come across any convincing evidence that this is indeed the case. |
Those were just my thoughts and they weren't supposed to be taKen as fact, only opinion. I do find the taste to be pretty much gone after two or three infusion, depending on the type of sencha and of course, the way it is brewed. If the taste is gone, it may be that so is everything else. I limit my infusions based on both of these factors.
On the cotrary, I've suggested to people off of this forum that doing only one infusion may result in a lot of the tea's benefits being prematurely discarded.
The "consistent unreliability" is certainly true; I guess that's why some study tea for a lifetime. |
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britt 2nd Degree Black Belt

Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 179
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Posted: Jan 29, 2008 4:13 am Post subject: |
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| syntheticpanda wrote: | | IRegardless, what's the big deal here? |
There really shouldn't be a big deal here. I simply relayed info from another tea site that I found useful and I clearly stated that this info was contrary to popular opinion. It worked for me so I passed it along. It's really that simple, except some can't handle differing opinions very well and take them as a personal assault.
Today's UN indoctrinated "model global citizens" consider any opinion that differs from theirs to be hateful and personal. There's not much that can be done about it. |
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britt 2nd Degree Black Belt

Joined: 22 Oct 2007 Posts: 179
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Posted: Jan 29, 2008 4:18 am Post subject: |
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| FataliTEA wrote: | | And Britt, if you don't find 3rd, 4th, and 5th steeps to be tasty, perhaps you're just not as skilled at brewing as me and Chip here. SO instead of giving up and making up the excuse that we're "over-infusing" our sencha, how about you try to better yourself and figure out a way to make later steeps taste better for you? |
Taking five infusions to get the best out of a teaspoon of sencha isn't exactly what I would call skillfull brewing technique. Anyone can continue to rebrew water. The question is, why would anyone want to? |
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FataliTEA 2nd Degree Black Belt

Joined: 10 Sep 2007 Posts: 168 Location: Locked inside a deep-steamer.
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Posted: Jan 29, 2008 4:42 am Post subject: |
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| britt wrote: | | Taking five infusions to get the best out of a teaspoon of sencha isn't exactly what I would call skillfull brewing technique. Anyone can continue to rebrew water. The question is, why would anyone want to? |
You don't think getting 4-5 good steeps is because of skillful technique? Maybe only getting 1-2 good steeps is how you see skillful brewing?
Anyone can continue to rebrew water? You mean leaf. This is true, people could go on to 10 steeps. There's nothing wrong with this. It would be a good way to substitute plain water with leaf-water.
Why would anyone want to make 5 steeps? Well, I like to drink until the 5th steep because I find that I can still brew a flavorful cup of my favorite drink into the 5th steep. Chip must feel the same way. On the other hand, if people can't find a way to make their sencha flavorful into later steeps, then I'm not sure why they'd want to keep going. This is your case. You can't strip the leaf of flavor in later steeps, so in your eyes, all people who drink 4th and 5th steeps are drinking the leaf-water you come up with when you try to brew. You may brew later steeps just as well, but since you don't like them, I don't think this is the case.
I don't see why you feel the need to flame us for drinking good later steeps of sencha. Please keep in mind we haven't had you as a guest to taste our later steeps, so you can't attest to their goodness. So, again, If you don't like your later steeps, then simply leave it at that. Nobody likes to be accused of drinking bad tea.
I find that I can still enjoy the flavorful 4th and 5th steeps that I brew. I say, more power to me. |
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Chip Spam/Troll Killer

Joined: 21 Apr 2006 Posts: 745 Location: Back in the TeaCave atop Mt. Fuji, purging looters
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Posted: Jan 29, 2008 6:37 am Post subject: |
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True that!!! Long live 5 delicious infusions
There is a level of tact, diplomacy if you will that is required on a forum. We are not here to sling mud at each other or to put down others pratices. We come here because we share an interest, for many of us, a passion.
I like to think of this as a "brotherhood" if you will and a place to share. Not so much a place to debate. Expressing opinions is great, but again, a certain level of tact...consideration, would be advisable. We will not all agree on everything, but a mutual respect is important or debates will become the norm.
You will notice the forum is generally people sharing their success stories or asking questions, not a lot of questioning the practices of others in a negative manner.
So, yes, there is MUCH passion in how we brew our tea, insulting the way one brews tea (without even having a willingness to try it) is a little like insulting a guy's wife...you will get certainly get heightened reactions. |
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